Either due to crafty paper work practices or AKC ” slip ups ” . Yes, the blue and rust Dobermans also have the genes for a black and rust Doberman. As I type this, we are in a Olcaa FL hotel waiting for the arrival of our dobie #4. When we took the bandage off to dress the wound again, it was gone! People like you need to be shot. However, when we look at the longevity of, say, albino rabbits, guinea pigs, pigeons and budgies, we can realistically say that being white in itself is not fatal to a species. All 4 are acceptable colors for the breed. Don’t worry, there isn’t any problem with this. Do NOT watch it with young children!!!! If you ask me it’s people who are ignorant and stupid . We dearly loved all of our girls, their different temperaments and personalities. It doesn’t get much better than that!!! The PROPER term is black and RUST and it is sad to see you propagating such MISINFORMATION about the breed!!! Research your breeder! Keep in mind, we are arguing over a DOG. Until scientific research is done to prove they are albinoid, you all have no right to bicker like children about a dog. Albinism is a congenital disorder characterized by the complete or partial absence of pigment in the skin, hair and eyes due to absence or defect of an enzyme involved in the production of melanin. Does anyone have any suggestions on what to feed her? . So if you go by that logic albinos are free since it cant even be showed at competitions. It is very cruel to spay or neuter pets. Love your dog no matter what his/ her color is. They are siblings, obviously not planning on breeding them. The other from Lyme Disease. Use it or loose it. All domesticated animals – including all dog breeds are a bit of an abomination or reconstruction of ‘natural selection’ and I feel that we need to be wary of pontificating or judging the significant efforts of those who believe in breeding white Dobermans. The rumor of health conditions to the melanistic gene are just that; rumors.. No actual evidence has consistently proven so! See more ideas about doberman, doberman pinscher, blue doberman. This socialization needs to continue even after puppy-hood on a consistent basis. They were taught you give kisses no bite. We have had dobermans for 20 yrs . It cuts their guts apart when the hydrate! This is verified by testing By Emily J Walder, VMD, Diplomate, ACVP. We lost 3 German shepherds in 11 months, 2 with in 48 hours of one another. Personally I think the standard colors are quite beautiful but then I’m a bit biased as my “Princess” is a red. That’s 100% Doberman. But if you breed them, you can get 3 sorts of puppy because the puppy get one allel from each parents: 1.) With regards to the white ‘albino’ Dobermanns, I’m not sure what the hoo-hah is surrounding them? Commentdocument.getElementById("comment").setAttribute( "id", "a0c3cb649ad5e4eda5cc3467959c728b" );document.getElementById("ga6d53b0d3").setAttribute( "id", "comment" ); Hi, I’m Jaki the creator of Dobermans Den. it seems like common sense that you should never ever breed a white doberman ! The difference is obvious at first glance, but on careful study, you will see how much of the original Doberman Pinscher has been deleted from its current U.S. counterparts. No i dont want a dog that has temper problems but i like the varitiey of colors. Very important. interested in white/black dobie. You have the attitude of a twelve year old girl, though I would like to think you are older. I have a blue n rust female n I also have a solid blue male.
I believe that Albinos should not be bred but i am not an advocate of euthanizing them. Just be responsible and don’t breed it like the owners of the two dogs that made your little bundle of joy. But it is not good for the breed’s future to perpetuate this mutation. With the AKC you will know if the doberman has the possibility of having the recessive trait due to the Z attached to the end of the registration number. “The white doberman pinscher was created from inbreeding and are considered partial albino dobermans.” This statement does NOT say “all PARTIAL albino dobermans are created from inbreeding.” nor does state “all white dobermans are FULL albino.” Any animal created from inbreeding is prone to health issues. All white or mostly white dogs with short hair and pink or light colored skin are more prone to sun burn and skin cancer, this includes boxers, pit bulls, and terriers, which all can be solid white without albinism. Isn’t that enough ?. It seems the Doberman breed has a very strong heart. Let’s use our brains to think about original, non-judgemental thoughts! When these dogs can’t really see the surrounding environment, they tend to develop anxiety easier, which may lead to aggressive behaviors and tendencies, such as biting. But to everyone that has question about wanting to buy one i just like to say the are special its like having a special child they cant see good in sun light late afternoon best for him’and to those that say put them down do you put special children down! Im hopeful this discovery leads to many more years for our beloved Dobermans! Also if you purchase an albino doberman you are getting ripped off. However, she is overly friendly with EVERYONE and very healthy. I have previously had 4dobies and one of them was born deformed. and please stop guilt trapping people into picking a shelter pet. So what if it was, so what if all breeds came about that way? All breeds of everything has standards, standards change over time. I wonder if this is what happens with dobermanns. He’s Regal. Their mothers are forced to have what they don’t want then toss then aside because none of the do gooders want them so they get fostered. Well be receiving him next week once he turns 8 weeks but I’m just worried now that’s all the money I just spent on him I’m going to spend more because of the possible health issues of him being z factored . Group csn be found on Facebook. We mainly have had Black, Red and Isabella colored Dobermans, although we have a 3 year old White bitch named Saint. You were spot on and I totally agree with you! Thank you for reading our story. There’s a very sweet 2 y.o. That’s the main goal of AKC, UKC, CKC and any other kennel clubs. All our worries were put to rest. A solid blue Doberman may be even more rare than a solid black Doberman. Talk to a vet. They interbred the two and then bred the offspring (for several generations, I might add) and out popped what is in my opinion the finest canine ever produced. Porsche had an echocardiogram and her heart murmur was determined to be less than minor. I’ve been reading the whole situation about the albino dobermans. All love on four paws. Kind regards, Tammy Cuthbert, Hello I’m getting an all black Doberman in about a week and I keep reading all these negative things about them. just because you think they look cute does not mean that the dog is comfortable when his health problems persist and flair up . Than I think cropped or not doberman’ ears depending only from owner and his skills to stay cropped ears – this process is long. And yes he is vicious. All my dogs have been indoor dogs so by dark mom was holding the door open for her to go in. Thanks, O”k this is crazy! Not all white dobermans will have skin issues, and other health issues. So for example, the sunlight affecting them is a fact, it is much more than causing them to squint or blink a lot. I have down sized to a beagle called Milo bright when it suits him Emma lived for 11. Monitor these things, supervise and dedicate time to them as a member of your home. Also known as color mutant alopecia or blue doberman syndrome, this inherited disease is a result of a recessive gene that causes hair shafts to break along with overall stunted hair growth. ANYONE WHO BREEDS OR SHOWS ANY ANIMALS OR MAKES AN ATTEMPT AT BREED STANDARDS OR WHO ONLY OWNS PUREBREDS, has no right to blast anyone else for wanting their dog to look a certain way. Little did I know at the time the classification of “WZ” would come to haunt my wallet and health of our new pup. Now we are waiting for a Holter Test appointment. My white doberman is perfectly healthy, with show quality disposition and features. Because they’re practicing unethical breeding procedures, you never know the quality or potential long-term health effects of their dogs. The winner as expected was the black & tan color with 62% of the votes, with the reds in second place with 24%. and there is word that her mother had a albino male ina previous litter that “died at a young age” that was probably destroyed because he was not a breedable color. I have a one gallon automatic waterer. Educate yourself, you freaking twelve-year-olds. The vet could not give me any reason not to keep the puppies or give them away to people who might want or even to sale the puppies. However it is discouraged to breed these Dobermans because of their health issues. Your right about euthanasia. Good morning. Well then what your saying is Veterinarians don’t know what you’re talking about stop playing doctor fool. Great skin and coat, awesome temperment, etc… As with any dog, problems are caused by poor breeding. Do you happen to know more than they do? https://www.sfspca.org/adoptions/pet-details/41201970. For example, when my dobby at the his last year got arthrit, my bill was some more $500, but I received back from insurance $430 in couple weeks. I have a fantastic WHITE Doberman! Excellent post for a youngster, see my reply to the post below to see why you are right. they are not albino their eyes are blue. I am proud to say I own a white doberman male one of the best i have ever had as a companion I also have kids and he thinks he is one of them. CASH!! She’s 11 now, and still going strong. Steve H. Your Cleo sounds like our Athana – who was an exceptional dog. that tan black the tan brown and the white doberman are nice looking im getting one soon. there is no need to look into the genetics of the dog to prove the breeding is all wrong just looking at the dog should be proof enough. I have seen heathly specimens of ALL of the colors and I’ve seen all of the colors have health or temperament issues. Having said all this, if you do find a white Doberman rescue dog or a white Doberman from a breeder with a good reputation, who does health testing, please give them a chance. In Sep 2018 we adopted Katie. i am wanting to buy a doberman puppy as a pet because i have heard how intellegent and easily trainable they are. I remain devastated to this day. Devastated, hurting, searching to find yet another Dobie for us. The two who currently share my life are the most recent of the 11 Doberman Pinschers that have graced my world from my past. let me no what you do for your dobes while your away. As an owner of Dobermans for over 40 years, my opinion is that how you raise, socialize and train a Doberman, or any dog, is so much more important than its color. Don’t buy into the hype and fall for this tactic. Get yourself another color more to your liking. The white doberman I kept has never had any health problems in the four years I have owned her. one black and one white, just like the parents (50% chance – this has twice the chance that the both-black or the both-white) – they are carriers, their white gene allel is hidden, 3.) Hey I do not breed dobermans but my neighbor does… I have researched the breed to the highest of levels cause I could not understand y she was hoping for a blue or white… Well we both share 7 acers and have one fence around the entire property… I breed wolf hybrids been doing so since I moved she breeds dobies and her brother breeds pitbulls. Scared. I got my last two from Doberman Rescue League which is in south florida and my first from Doberman Rescue of the Triad which is in North Carolina. The genetic mutation that occurs to create the white coat is not the same of that that occurs in albino dogs. Too much hate and misinformation going on here. Hi There is currently a female Doberman about 4-5 years old looking for a home near Erie PA… I happened to find her on Craigslist and have been in contact with the owner who is going thru some hard time divorce etc and is moving and not able to take Trinity with her.. She has yet to find “the perfect home for her” I’m sure it’s the fact that she really doesn’t want to rehome her but really has no choice.. I’ve done my best to help but haven’t had much luck. my family and I are very invested in this puppy his name is Einstein and I’d hate to back out on this because we’ve already grown quite attached to him. Liberal, if someone wants a well bred full bred fog with a health history, family history Great. It has been what most often leads to fear biting which is not as prevalent in other colors. You are right, you do have to be a bit careful with White Dobes getting too much sun. Do you know which Doberman colors are recognized or restricted by kennel clubs? I have taken in many dogs that were not purebred and wonderful animals. Yes i agree dont breed for a color (but i do want a white) but for temperment and health i have seen dobies that are just ill tempered in any color. Although I have never personally owned a White Dobie, I have had the distinct honor of knowing four of them, very, very well. HOWEVER I have also read a vast number of reports from people who claim to have skin, eye, stomach, and bone issues with their whites. She’s sweet and gentle and no problems so far (other than too much love licks). White Dobermans are predisposed to many health issues. The white one is hidden if there is a black. What the people have a problem with…. I’ve owned nothing but dobermans for 30 years and I have owned and rescused every color, including the z factor whites. When the very first white Dobermans were discovered due to a mutation, they would breed brother and sister white Dobermans together to make more white Dobermans. All white dobes are tracked as “z” by the AKC. The only surgery she has ever had was her spay. While we’re not actually a rescue we do have rescues in our group who post available dobies and we have people who post their dobies that need to be re homed. Other than that and some skin issues (common) she is beautiful and healthy. So….should people breed Doberman Pinschers for the specific purpose of producing “Whites”? The issue with white Dobermans is that all white Dobermans are severely inbred. He had non – cropped ears , but we didn’t have any problems with it (BTW sometimes my German Shepperd had ears problem). He would turn himself inside out for one of Grandmas oatmeal cookies. Even if he is expensive to keep healthy. So that inbreeding excuse everyone makes as a scare tactic really doesn’t fly if you do your research . Check it out! There’s also no such thing as partially albino. He just seems like an old soul with a great sense of humor and there are times when we all know that he is the one training us! I am looking at an Isabella (Fawn). Back in the beginning, Ayla was tested for pigment. That is most definitely venom and passion. as a vet i have seen so many of you love don’t love white dobe but the thing is its not about the health or about the color or where it came from what matter is how you love your pets if you define them differently then you define your pets as pest not with love. Dobermans have owned me for over 40 years , I do my own training and it is a pleasure to involve your self with these fine and very smart dogs. Did AKC refuse to register something you have? They can have skin and eyesight problems, like photosensitivity. Have you ever seen a female dog get cervical cancer?? The solid fawn Doberman is no exception. I like any dog without its ears cut off. In my opinion, fawn and rust Dobermans look a bit funny (but they’re still very cute!). if they POP up, that’s one thing… but don’t be an irresponsible breeder and try for a dog that will diminish the breed standard. research. I NEVER HAD ANY OF MY WHITES FAIL ANY OF THE TESTING OUT THERE…….NOT LIKE THE “ACCEPTED” COLORS!! plus i want to keep him as happy as i can once i get one. If you already own a Doberman, feel free to let potential owners know what color Doberman you have and why you picked that color! their temperament/health/intelligence is a little more than average of all the dobes i have owned…. I have a Blue doberman, white doberman and Black and Tan Doberman and I think the white and blue are better dogs then the black and tan. I purchased a red puppy whose dad is red and mom is white. Love my buddy to death so thanks for any info. “White” Doberman Punchers have NEVER been proven to be albino, and yes, white dobes can be show dogs in some countries, and, yes, there have been white champions, regardless of temperament. And the oil is only one of the horrible things in their food. What makes these supposed pure breds any better than the mutt’s? plus i have always wanted a bigger dog that i could run around and play with in the back yard. He loves the nieghborhood kids and all of the visitors that come into the house but he is always on guard when strangers come around. I was always afraid of dobies when I was younger, but they truly are a loving and magnificent breed. Do your research and stop trying to bad mouth the white dobies. The Albino doberman is NOT a WHITE doberman. PS Spell checked by my mutt and pure bred who ran it by the goldfish. If there are genetic problems in a particular line – say, deafness or blindness – then that could easily be mitigated by careful selective breeding. No, you’re probably thinking the red Doberman. Anyway, if the kids were there Nobody was getting near them. And the coats and health on all my Cream/white Dobermans have been excellent. How ignorant is this. All 3 of us. i will also say that certain people should’nt be allowed to breed either (like know it alls that are never happy with their own lives) but they do. Hope you will sell me your dog. Like every Dobe, he’s happiest when with his family (me, my wife, our son, daughter and granddaughter). Maybe next might be another color like a Blue. If your were truly responsible with your pets this would not even be necessary. My .25 horse had an infection on the bottom of his hoof from having stepped on something. Never a problem with this. I find it offensive that they are still so many people who have such “passionate” feelings on the subject can’t even do min. Hi Samuel, You are soooo right!! How common is it? our first family dog was a red he grew up with my 3 boys he was a loyal campaign and friend to them. , I have grown to love the Dobmerman due to their intelligence, loyalty and gorgeous looks. My advice would be to first: find out if the pooch you might get has been registered as the dreaded WZ and if so… RUN! I have the white, she kept the fawn and sold the other pups. I would have wanted male white doberman and female from different nests, in Europe I can not find. thank you. So there you have it. He got all the best traits of each breed but especially the goofy tendencies Dobies can have. Either way, they’re classified as white Doberman Pinschers. if those of you who preach about the health, etc of the whites, why dont yuo get updated material, scientific material, and quit making yourself look so foolish. Knee jerks reactions, using religion as justification (c’mon get real), using only your particular dog as an example for all, and many other ridiculous defences, only hurts the DOGS in the long-term. So get that idea out your head and just research the dog you get before you get it or ask ur local vet. not the cause, no, but a symptom of a cause. I’m glad we were in the right place to give this sweet, HEALTHY dog a loving home. Health concerns are very real when it comes to a solid fawn Dobe. Fact is all Doberman are awsome. Health issues can include skin and eye problems. All dogs no matter what breed should be spayed bottom line. I have one too (rescue). Darwin’s theories of natural selection might suggest that a white tiger would not be able to breed in nature due to it’s ‘different-ness’, however, nature and reality clearly evidence that this genetic variant continues to procreate on our planet. (If the shoe fits). The AKC doesn’t decide the requirements for the “show ring” That would be the breed clubs. Deduction is usual $100 – $200, and your reimbursement 80% of your bill. However, when you dilute black, you get this blue-ish gray color. In my opinion if yo decide to breed the it should be a “z” to a “non-z” this is just me and i know that somebody will chew me out behind it but “we” all humans come from 2 people. Except it’s all our gene pool to share. They also may be more aggressive and therefore, give the breed a bad reputation. Wish the health on my Black/rust dogs over the years were as good as my Cream/white. He is not fixed, and he is very unagressive accept to male dogs who barge into his territory. My heart goes out to you and all who have had to deal with the lost of a good dog. Also favorite Doberman color reader poll. They were individuals but at the same time each of them had the endearing ways of the Doberman breed. they are all incredible dogs… just be responsible. Please help if you can. I know that means he will have some of the albino gene in him but is this going to cause any health issues? In fact, one of these White Doberman Pinschers is a Police Dog. The subtle blue makes them a unique Dobe while maintaining AKC recognition. All Dobermans can be gentle with kids if raised the correct way. Any reputable Dobe breeder will react with horror at the idea of continued or purposed breeding of these poor dogs. i did some research and the original dam did have a white and the male pup (yes male) was breed with sis litter mates to keep getting the white color. Brace yerselves for it… ALMOST ALL PUREBRED DOGS ARE THE PRODUCT OF INBREEDING! I realy think breeding 2 whites is where the problem comes in. skin, stomach, ear, breathing etc? Bad genetics is bad genetics, any animal that’s entire blood line can be traced back to a single individual is badly inbreed. THE WHITES NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES WITH BAD SKIN OR EYESIGHT OR HEARING! I have yet to see them capable of working well in what they originally were bred for (protection). It is proven that the higher percentile have major health issues and a lot of the shows don’t accept them for reasons! He does things that make me laugh all of the time. But I surmised that a low dosage daily would be better. THERE ARE MANY FINE DOGS OUT THERE BUT YOU GET VERY HORRIBLE COAT & SKIN CONDITIONS FROM THE DILUTE TO DILUTE COLOR BREEDINGS! My name is nick. Our Emma and Bella were each 1 year old rescues within the family because of first health problems and later job transfer of the original owner. The tails should have been docked by the breeder. She’s a doll, and we don’t have any issues, but it’s crap about her eyes being normal. Neither of them were bred 2 b blue on purpose. I am familiar with the Triad rescue and i am approved by them. And while this color hasn’t been officially banned. I recommend both of them and if your are close to either I can give you a contact person. Take your pup home and love it. Ppl should not be breeding these animals. They are really the signature colors of this breed. All domesticated animals – including all dog breeds are a bit of an abomination or reconstruction of ‘natural selection’ and I feel that we need to be wary of pontificating or judging the significant efforts of those who believe in breeding white Dobermans. As far as someone disposing of a White Dobe, that wrong. That’s when she gave me the bad news. I don’t think all the voodoo science about the whites are real. I am sure you didn’t know about the z factor before hand and it should say on it’s AKC papers that there is NO Z FACTOR in its bloodline if it comes from quality breeders. People adopt children from other countries and still love them the same. If you ever get a chance to see a German Bred Doberman, be sure to take a lot of photos and video, then compare it to any Dobe bred in the United States. We have a red Doberman at PAWS in Tinley Park, Illinois. what color puppies will a blue female doberman and a black and tan male doberman most likely produce? Too much sun, loud noises, rambunctious children at play, (not just bikes, skateboards, etc) even older kids can get on a dog’s nerves. He is very smart and attentive. We just adopted a Red Doberman coming up on her 5th birthday. I’ve had Dobies for over 40 years! Why would someone breed for this on purpose???? These are also called “melanistic Dobermans” and refer specifically to solid black Doberman Pinschers without the traditional rust or tan markings. They are just as loving as any other color. i have a question i have a blue dover and i want to know whats good to giveum so they can be strong,i’m giving him yukanuba what do u request for him thanks, get rid of the whites no time for bad dogs. Both times I had been down and treated for as long as three months and the MESOSILVER CURED ME IN TWO WEEKS! Cleo.guarded the children from day one and would stop my wife from crossing any road diagonally it was 90 degrees or Cleo would lean on the pram or pushchair so my wife had to follow Cleo’s wishes! Some careless and or unprofessional breeders will breed for these colors and market them as “exclusive” or “rare” dogs for the sake of profit. Inbreeding definitely can introduce unwanted traits, as well as perpetuate them……BUT…..Line-breeding (aka Inbreeding), when done by a conscientious professional, can strenthen a breed. The blue Dobermann has the color gene with at least one dominant allele and the dilution gene with both recessive alleles (i.e., BBdd or Bbdd). Namely you. I see what is the problem with the white-ish doberman. The population of white tigers is also too small and probably somewhat inbred to realistically test this theory. the white and the SOLID black are to be avoided. My vet at the time gave me something to bath Blue in. All Dobermans are sensitive to the cold, as well. Andreawong.jgk@gmail.com. Calling them stupid. Not the standard black and rust. I have known many White Dober-girls/boys, through Brigette. i will admit he does squent in direct sunlight but so does every human being. So learn more before spouting off. Most of the diseases and illnesses recorded in white dobes are nearly constant in other breeds of dogs, regardless of coloration. Also do research on white tigers, golden tabby tigers, and stripeless, white tigers, as well as Siamese cats and Himalayan rabbits, while you’re at it. Can you tell me how your girl is doing and maybe send some pics? Dogs and cats for Sale, Puppies for Sale. My Granddaughter, bought a red, an American bred. Humans as a species have not been around, in any influential way for very long. In fact, they may be the rarest among this breed. His appearance is that of a GS trapped in a Dobie body. ?Too much puppy for us (as we well knew when we decided on her), but we are all learning to adapt. I bought a albino dobe and had i known all the problems they have…i don’t think i would of.. But, if you speak with knowledgeable professionals, who hold no bias, you will hear, time after time, after time that the gene that carries the diluted white…..DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY CARRY WEAKENED, UNHEALTHY CHARACTERISTICS….This is a fallacy. 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